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Woody Finds Another Comeback in Barcelona
By Jordan Riefe
Who has had more lives in Hollywood
than Woody Allen? He has had enough comebacks
that using the word to describe his latest,
"Vicky Cristina Barcelona", sounds disingenuous.
And yet, after the relative failure of "Scoop"
and "Cassandra's Dream", Allen's last two films,
you'll read over and over again that "VCB" is
just another comeback for one of the greatest
writer/directors of all time. The fact is that,
until he's done making movies, Allen has the
talent to make another classic. The ups and
downs of his career simply come from the fact
that this passionate director makes a movie
every year. "Hannah and Her Sisters", "Crimes
and Misdemeanors", "Bullets Over Broadway",
"Match Point" - all "comeback movies" for the
master. His latest "comeback" is the already
well-reviewed "Vicky Cristina Barcelona", a
romantic dramedy starring Rebecca Hall, Javier
Bardem, Penelope Cruz, and Allen's latest muse,
Scarlett Johanssen (who starred in "Match Point"
and "Scoop"). Allen sat down recently at the
Beverly Hills Four Seasons to talk about the
women that have inspired him, the cultural challenges
of shooting in Barcelona, how he puts actors
at ease, the music of the film, and much, much
more about his most recent comeback…what we'll
have to call "Vicky Cristina Barcelona", at
least until his next one.
I'm curious for
you to talk about the inspiration you get from
women. Can you talk about women and what they
bring out in you in terms of making films?
WOODY ALLEN: The interesting thing is, and I've said this before, when I first started I could never write for women. When I wrote my first couple of films and did them, and when I used to write my cabaret act, and I would write sketches for television, I could never write for women. I always wrote the male point of view. This went on and on for quite a while. People even commented about it at the time. Then I got into "Play it Again, Sam" with Diane Keaton on stage. Keaton and I started dating, we started living together, and became very close. Through some kind of Socratic osmosis or something I started writing for women. I started writing for Diane, and I found I could write for women. Then I sort of only wrote for women. I wrote more and more for women, and I wrote for them all the time. I like women, I enjoy their company. The person I edit with is a woman, my editing assistants are all women, and my press people are all women. My producer is a woman. I just enjoy their company very much. I get a big kick out of them. For some reason I find them interesting to write about too, men occasionally, but really my heart is in it more when I'm writing for women. I don't know why but I remember when that transformation took place from an inability to write a credible woman. I couldn't write anything but a one-dimensional woman. Then I was writing for women all the time. Over the years I've written many women's roles that turned out to be some of my most interesting roles. A bonus is that there are so many wonderful actresses out there. It's much easier to get a woman for a role, than it is a man. If you write a role there are always a couple of women you can get for it, whereas with a guy, if you don't get the one or two guys you want, it's not so easy. There is a scarcity of guys, really, on that level. There are so many gifted women out there that are just waiting for an opportunity to work.
Like Scarlett
Johansson?
ALLEN: Yeah, Scarlett
was an accident. I had Kate Winslet for "Match
Point" to the last week in pre-production when
she said she couldn't do the picture because
she had worked continually and had spent no
time with her child. She asked would I forgive
her, and of course I understood that completely.
And I didn't know Scarlett from a hole in the
wall. I thought she was too young to play the
part. She was only 19 years old at the time.
I was in a hole, I had to get somebody fairly
quickly, and I knew that Scarlett was a great
actress and a beauty. I didn't know if she was
really what I had written. I hired her and became
totally captivated by her. I thought she could
simply do anything. She was not only beautiful
but also bright, amusing, charming, and gifted.
I'm very happy to work with her. Whenever there
is a part that fits anything she could do I
would always call her and hope that she would
be available for it, as I did with Keaton for
years. I did that with Mia [Farrow]. I did many
roles with her, thought she was a wonderful
actress, and she never let me down. I think
that the same will be true with Scarlett.
As a writer, what
are the challenges for you to write about three
different culturally distinctive characters,
in terms of creating the characters? What was
a particular challenge for you?
ALLEN: It was not, I had the idea about two women going away on a summer thing some place. Someone called from Barcelona and said, "Would you like to make a picture here? We'll finance it." That's always the hardest part of making any picture, is getting the financing. Writing it, directing it, or anything else is easier than getting the financing for it, so I said sure I would do it. I had no idea for anything for it, and then about a week or two later I got a call from Penelope Cruz. I didn't know her, she wanted to meet, and she was in New York. I had only seen her in "Volver" and nothing else ever. I thought she was great in it, and she said that she knew I was doing a film in Barcelona and she would like to participate. I started out with Barcelona, with Penelope, and in the back of mind I was going to go to Scarlett. Then I heard Javier [Bardem] was interested, so gradually it took shape. I was writing for these people. I was deliberately writing for these people. I didn't know Rebecca Hall at all. Juliet Taylor, my casting director, discovered her. She said that she was great, I should read her, and look at some film on her. I did and she was right. I put the thing together for the people almost, as I did it, and did the best I could. I relied on whatever knowledge I had. I've been to Barcelona several times in my life, but I didn't have a vast knowledge of it. When I got over there the art director took me to all these places. You get help from people. Everybody on the crew cooperates and says, "They would never speak that way." Or "They would never go to this restaurant if they are 25 or 30 years old. They would go to this one." So gradually you do it and it looks like you know Barcelona, or you know London, when in fact you are faking. Everybody helps you a great deal. That is exactly how it emerged.
You have been
exploring relationships in all of your films.
Have you found any answers?
ALLEN: I haven't found
any answers that you would want to hear. [Laughs]
At the end of this movie, it's a very pessimistic
movie because even the cosmetics of the movie
are up. Barcelona is beautiful, there is light,
the music is pretty, and the actors and actresses
are beautiful. In the end Javier and Penelope
can't live with each other, they can't live
without each other, and they are constantly
dissatisfied. They can't make it together. Scarlett
is always suffering from chronic dissatisfaction.
She wants something but has no idea what it
is and she will always want something. She will
never know what it is, and nothing will ever
satisfy her, because it's really in her. That's
the problem. Rebecca Hall is marrying this guy
but she'll have a fairly stable, acceptable
life, with no big highs or lows, and it will
be some version of what Patricia Clarkson has.
Maybe less dramatic than that, or more, maybe,
but she'll always feel that there were missed
things in life she didn't have. I have a pessimistic
view of relationships. My view has always been
that you talk about it with your friends, you
scheme, you plot, and you see psychoanalysts,
you see marriage counselors, get medicated,
do everything they can, but in the end you have
to luck out. It's complete and total luck. You
have all these exquisite needs, some woman has
all her exquisite needs, and the odds of all
those wires going together are very, very slim.
If one of those wires is not there then it gets
annoying and she gets dissatisfied, you get
dissatisfied. So, to get it all clicking in
is a very happy accident. It does happen to
people, because there are so many people in
the world, which statistically a certain amount
of them luck out. They meet someone, fall in
love, they are happy with that person, no real
friction, but its luck. This is my observation
of it, this can be argued, but if you ask me
I would say that's what I've learned. All the
advice, planning, self-help books, anything
you do, dating services, you've got to get lucky.
If you do, it's great. Some people do, but you
can see by the divorce rate, the amount of relationships
people go through, and the amount of people
in unhappy relationships but stay together because
of inertia, because of children, fear of loneliness…
there are very few really wonderful ones. You
have to get lucky. I hope I haven't depressed
you.
When you were
shooting, you always had a trove of fans. How
complicated was it to shoot?
ALLEN: It was very easy to shoot in Barcelona. There is a film community in Spain, some from Barcelona, and some came from Madrid. There is a more active film community there, but it was a cinch. Most of them did not speak English, but a few did. I don't speak Spanish. They knew how to light, they knew how to do all the crew work beautifully. You can see that the picture looks good. The cameraman was a Spanish cameraman, and he did a beautiful job. He was as good as any cameraman in the world, wonderful cameraman, and he didn't speak English. It didn't matter. I've made a number of pictures with a Chinese cameraman who didn't speak any English in the past. I worked for 10 years with Carlo DiPalma who spoke a tiny bit of English but not much. Those things are the easy things. That stuff is easy, but what is hard is getting a good script. When a project fails, 90 percent of the time, it's that the script is no good. The actors are generally quite good. It's rare that something doesn't work because the actors have torpedoed you in some way. It's rare that you directed it so badly that it doesn't work. Directing is not rocket science. But if you have a bad script, then no amount of being Fellini, or a great stylist or anything, saves you. In the end you have a flawed movie, a boring movie, or illogical story, or un-engaging story. Once I had the script, and it was decent, the fact that nobody could speak English didn't matter. Penelope and Javier, I encouraged them to improvise all the time. They are great actors and they improvised all over the place. I had no idea what they were saying. No idea. I could tell from the body language that clearly it was the scene I wrote in some way. It was not the words I wrote, but they were breaking up, or arguing over the emotional life, it was something. I never knew what they were saying until I got back to New York City and I was putting the titles in the picture. The person who did the titles was bilingual and told me what they were saying. It was fine. It was not always what I wrote by any means, often flamboyant flights of fancy that they took, but it was fine. You can do it if you have a story to tell. As long as it's a decent story, then everybody has common sense about how to tell the story, then you can do it. If the script is not good, then no amount of great acting, or flashy direction, great camera work, it will never bail you out. This I know from many years of being on both ends of these things.
Rebecca Hall's
character seemed a little like the roles you
have played in the past. She is the voice of
reason. When you were writing the character
of Vicky, was that something that you were thinking
of, your voice?
ALLEN: It's funny
that you should ask me that, you are the third
person that has asked me that question. To me,
it seems so outlandish. Apparently it's not
though because you are the third person to ask
me that question. Years ago when Pauline Kael
saw "Interiors" she insisted to me that I was
the Mary Beth Hurt character on the flimsy evidence
that she was wearing a tweed sport jacket that
I liked to wear. I was saying, "No, it's not
true because her problem in the movie is that
she can't express herself artistically. She's
full of feeling and can't get it out." I've
always been able to write a little bit, or make
jokes. I've never had that problem. As the years
went by, people would say, "John Cusack is you,
or this one is you…" So when I did "Match Point"
someone said that Jonathan Rhys Myers was playing
my role. I'm thinking, 'How can someone possibly
come to that?' In my wildest incarnation I couldn't
play that role, be that character, or think
that way. The same here, not for a second would
I think of myself in any relation to Vicky.
I would have thought myself, and I don't mean
this because he's so charming and charismatic,
in Javier's role. I could see a funny scene
of me getting up in a restaurant and trying
to pick up two attractive women, then not being
successful at it, or getting in over my head.
I could see Javier's atheistic, existential
point of view as one I've expressed many times.
No one has said, "Javier was kind of talking
for you at times." They think that the girl
is speaking for me. I see it as absolutely not
so, but it's interesting that it keeps coming
up. So I can only think I have a blind spot.
It's not like you're the only crazy in the city.
I have a blind spot and I don't see it, but
apparently its there for other people to see.
Now it's come up again and again. I don't see
it in any way, but I can't honestly say that
my perspective on it is correct. I'm starting
to lose confidence.
I was going to
ask if any of the hearts of these characters
are something you connect with personally? Also
I want to go back to were there fans hanging
around when trying to shoot in Barcelona? How
did you deal with that?
ALLEN: Yes, there were huge crowds hanging around. It was no problem at all. They were the most polite, sweet people. They would hang around, they didn't bother us, and before a take if I needed quite I would go like this to them. They would all get very quiet. They were totally cooperative and nice. We had an enormous amount of cooperation from the city in every way. If you look at the end of the picture you see all the credits of people that participated. People were giving us things for nothing, left and right. They couldn't have been sweeter. I was able to make the picture and because of all the freebies I could make it for the small budget that I had. I never had a lot of money. I make my pictures for approximately 15 million dollars. Some go to 16 and some will be 14, but that's the ballpark. We were able to make the picture for that, and the picture looks healthy because we got so much cooperation and free things. The town was great to us. The museum would open up for us. The crowds in the street, which were enormous, it was not like shooting in New York where you get a couple of drifters that watch, and they are jaded, and don't care. We really got hundreds and hundreds of people. They could not have been sweeter or more cooperative.
Can you talk about
the tag line on the poster, 'Life Is The Ultimate
Work Of Art'?. Also, the narrator is off screen
and never really identified. It's a great literary
thing to do. Do you see film as literature?
ALLEN: There are three
questions there, so the first one was the copy
line. First I have to disavow the copy line.
Usually when the marketing people show you posters
for your movie, usually your heart sinks because
you think you have made a beautiful film. At
least you have tried to make a beautiful film
and they usually show you something that is
aimed, in the most heavy-handed way, at the
lowest common denominator. Now on this picture,
they showed me the ad, and I thought it was
beautiful. I thought it was great. I was so
shocked that I was not going to have to send
it back and say, "Please try again." It was
a beautiful ad, better than anything I had imagined.
I never feel a copy line is necessary, but marketing
people always throw one in there. I wasn't even
aware of the copy line. It's meaningless to
me, it has no relation to the film, and no relation
to anything. It's something to get the suckers
in off the street. I wish it wasn't in there.
The poster is beautiful and it's one of the
nicest I've ever had. That's how I feel about
copy lines. They are always terrible. They never
mean anything, they never bring anybody in,
and they satisfy the marketing people for some
strange reason. My statue in Oviedo is one of
the great mysteries of western civilization.
It's a lovely town in Spain. I went there a
couple of times, and it's beautiful. I went
once years ago for something. Without asking
me, I never did anything there, I never saved
anybody's life, and they said, "We are putting
a statue up of you in town." I thought it was
a joke. Then in the town there is a statue of
me. It's a good statue, completely undeserved,
but a bronze statue of me. It looks good. I've
got my sport jacket on, corduroy trousers. First
I thought it was one of those things where I
leave town and they take it in, then when Brad
Pitt comes to town they put his statue out.
Why a statue of me? I've never done anything
up there. I have a photograph of it at home
with two feet of snow piled on my head. People
keep stealing the glasses from it, and they
are welded onto the statue. Guys come with blowtorches
at night and they take the glasses off. I have
been there where I've had half of my glasses
off. They fixed it up this time when I was going
there. It's inexplicable. I don't know what
the connection is, like picking someone off
the street. I just don't understand, but they
are nice people, and I'm happy to go there.
I don't visit the statue much. The third thing
was the narrator. I primarily feel I'm a writer
who only directs so my stuff is not mangled
on the screen. I'm a writer. I always feel the
narrative voice. I was a stand up comic who
always spoke to the audience. I write and very
often in my films I either talk to the audience,
have a character talk to the audience, have
a narrator. I just feel the presence of the
author all the time. I'm literary in that sense.
When I thought of the story, I thought of it
in that way, instinctively. I thought I was
writing something. I wrote it and went out and
got a narrator to do it, but I never conceived
it in any other way. I'm a writer and that's
what I do. I direct because of that reason.
At least one of
the actors in this show said they were nervous
when they learned they were working with you
because you are such an accomplished director.
Do you have a technique for putting your actors
at ease? Also, you said that Scarlett Johansson
could do anything. It's a high compliment and
it's rare. Is there a role you haven't written
for her that you want to see her do?
ALLEN: First question, the actors should not feel ill at ease. I am the one that feels ill at ease. It's maybe my ill-at-ease personality that makes them feel that way. I'm nervous to meet Penelope Cruz and Javier Bardem. Also, there is a lot of nonsense that circulates about me, that they come to believe, that I don't like to speak to anybody. They say I'm reclusive. There was a thing in the New York Times magazine section last week, they did a feature on Matthew Goode, who I worked with in "Match Point". He said, "I came into the audition and someone said 'Don't shake hands with Woody, he doesn't like to be touched.'" So, where these things originate I can't imagine. I'm not incredibly social, but I'm not forbidding. I'm nervous around them. I don't really have a way of putting them at ease. I think what happens is that they are nervous before they come in, but after they meet me for one minute, and they see I'm not a threat and not anything they've conceived. They see I'm a pushover and they can handle me effortlessly, they become relaxed. It's nothing I do to make that happen. They see it, but I think my nerves, my shyness, could read as something that it is not. As far as Scarlett goes, I never think in terms of there is something I would like to write for someone. I will say that if I ever have a part that she could play, I would always go to her for them. I hope that she would be available. I do think that she is capable of anything. If you need dramatic, she's dramatic. If you need a laugh, she can get a laugh. She can sing if you need it, she's sexy, she's intelligent. She is a great ace in the hole to have, and there are a lot of things she can do, and that face on the screen. She is so photogenic it's paralyzing. I would always try and use her if I could. There is no limit for her. I now think there is no limit for Penelope either. She's learning English much more. She is getting very, very fluid with her English. When I started with her she spoke it pretty well. Now she is really getting completely bilingual. They will be writing more and more parts for her in English-speaking pictures. She will be able to score very heavily because she is a very charismatic actress.
You are in town
to direct an opera? What is the difference in
directing opera and theater, and will you work
with Placido Domingo?
ALLEN: I didn't
want to direct anybody else's material before.
I never directed a significant thing in the
theatre live. The only live thing I directed
were my own little one act plays. I certainly
never directed an opera. I've only been to about
15 of them in my life. A friend of mine, he's
been bothering me for a long time to direct
an opera. Placido Domingo has spoken to me on
a number of occasions to direct an opera. I
always dodged it or slipped out of it. They
said, "Look, this is a one-act opera that Puccini
wrote 'Il Trittico', you just have to do the
third one." It's a small cast, it's a one hour
opera, and it's only about 10 people. No big
chorus. They said, "You can do it, and we'll
help you." This was like three years ago and
I thought I'd probably be dead by now so I said
"Okay." Now, three years later I'm still alive!
"You have to come to LA and do the opera." So
tomorrow morning at 9:30 I start. I hope that
the Puccini material is strong enough that I
won't get hurt. I don't know if I can take that,
there is some distance. It's moving personally,
but I've got to do it, and I'll give it my best
shot. I think it's okay. It's only 55 minutes
actually. I timed it and it ran 55 minutes.
I have to keep it running for 55 minutes. I'm
such a novice at it I asked people, "When we
rehearse do we sing?" I'm still not sure how
that works. So when I direct a scene am I going
to have to stop and wait for the guy to sing
his whole thing before I move on? I don't know
what to expect. I was picked because of my movies
and things. We had a wonderful, wonderful set,
and I'll give it my best shot. I hope the material
is so strong that they won't see the flaws in
me.
This is being
called your sexiest movie yet. It seems like
in your early movies you never had sex scenes.
Can you talk about discovering sex at this point
in your life?
ALLEN: It's just by chance. Everybody thinks that there is an agenda that I have. Maybe they think its certain psychological turning points in my life. It's not really so. It just so happens that this story requires a certain amount of sensuality. There is a kissing scene, a scene between the two girls that is brief, and there isn't really a lot of sex in the picture. It's nothing really that I've discovered. Whatever is required. I just finished a picture with Larry David, Evan Rachel Wood, and Patricia Clarkson. There is sex in the movie. It's a comedy, a romantic comedy. It's just by chance that the next film I thought of was a musical with sex, or a very sexual picture, or if I have an idea for what I felt was a brilliant pornographic comedy idea. If I had an idea for a family comedy, it's just whatever idea I come up with. These naturally had a little passion in it, but no sex to speak of really. Last night, I turn on the television set and "Show Girls" was on TV. Now that was clearly sexual. This one isn't.
Were you comfortable
directing Scarlett and Javier in that scene?
They are making love in bed.
ALLEN: When they are kissing? It's terrific, there are two fabulous performers. They started kissing, and I thought I would be going very, very long to make the scene extra long, beyond what you would think would be long. I wanted to have in and out of focus. They just kissed, and kissed, and kissed. Then when it was over, that was it. They went their own way and there was no real…they are actors. They get paid. Kissing for a couple of minutes, I watch, and say, "Okay, we'll do it again." Then it's over and we movie on to the next thing.
You said that
you have a pessimistic view of love. For a writer
and director who is so into the psychology of
how people work, isn't there a side to you that
thinks people change and evolve?
ALLEN: There is always
the possibility that people will change. Real
change is more rare. If you are a certain age,
you are pretty much a variation of that your
whole life. It's conceivable that you will change
but it's not likely. Rebecca is never comfortable,
she's never going to have an affair, and cheat
on her husband. She's all nervous and full of
anxiety. She changes her clothes a million times.
She can't decide if she should kiss him, go
to bed with him, should she leave. She gets
shot in the hand. So some people are not meant
for adventure or adultery. There will always
be that beautiful girl who all the guys run
after and she will get involved with the next
poet, or factory worker would be her next action.
That won't work out, so she'll get involved
with a swimmer, and the list will go on and
on. I don't hold high chances for people changing
who they are, but again I'm pessimistic. They
could be correct and I could be wrong.
Which was more
challenging? Writing for a different culture
or characters from a different generation than
yourself?
ALLEN: What happens is that you get a lot of help from people. I write the thing as best I can, for the generation, or Spaniards, I just wrote it. They play it and when they play it they say, "We would really never say this. We would never go to that nightclub. We don't do this anymore." They would tell me and I would strike it, then ask, "What would you do?" Then I add it and let them do that thing instead. I never think in terms of writing for a culture or for a generation. I just write the story so that it works. When you are doing it you would be amazed how many people chime in with corrections; everyone from the cameraman to the guy delivering coffee. It could be the actor or actress. All of that helps to focus the thing, so that it works by the time you finish, and it's reasonably accurate.
What life lessons
did you learn as a little boy that still serve
as a strong source of inspiration for you even
now?
ALLEN: I think that the biggest life lesson I learned as a boy that has helped me and is still with me is that you really have to discipline yourself to do the work. If you want to accomplish something, you can't spend a lot of time hemming and hawing, putting it off, making excuses for yourself, and figuring ways. You have to actually do it. I have to go home every single day, know where I am, what I'm doing, and including 45 minutes of practice on my clarinet because I want to play. I have to do it. I want to write, so I get up in the morning, go in and close the door and write. You can't string paper clips, and get your pad ready, and turn your phone off, and get this, get coffee made. You have to do the stuff. Everything in life turns out to be a distraction from the real thing you want to do. There are a million distractions, and when I was a kid I was very disciplined. I knew that the other kids weren't. I was the one able to do the thing, not because I had more talent, maybe less, but because they simply weren't applying themselves. As a kid I wanted to do magic tricks. I could sit endlessly in front of mirror, practicing, practicing, because I knew if you wanted to do the tricks, you've got to do the thing. I did that with the clarinet, when I was teaching, I did that with writing. This is the most important thing in my life because I see people striking out all the time. It's not because they don't have talent, or because they don't want to be, but because they don't put the work in to do it. They don't have the discipline to do it. This was something I learned myself. I also had a very strict mother who was no nonsense about that stuff. She said, "If you don't do it, then you aren't going to be able to do the thing. It's as simple as that." I said this to my daughter, "If you don't practice the guitar, when you get older you wouldn't be able to play it. It's that simple. If you want to play the guitar, you put a half hour in everyday, but you have to do it." This has been the biggest guiding principle in my life when I was younger and it stuck. I made the statement that 80 percent of life is showing up. People used to always say to me that they wanted to write a novel, and the couple of people that did it were 80 percent of the way to having something happen. All the other people struck out without ever getting that far. They couldn't do it. Once you do it, you write your script, or novel, you are more than half way towards something good happening. What I am saying is that it's a life lesson.
I wanted to ask
about the music in the movie. How much of a
part does it play in directing?
ALLEN: The
music to me is always the most pleasurable part
of the movie. You are finished cutting it, you
watch and there is no sound or music, it's a
little latent. Then suddenly you hear the recording
and I have everything from Beethoven to Debussy
to Louis Armstrong and anything I want. I can
drop it in and suddenly the movie gets a lift
that is great. When I put the Gershwin in "Manhattan",
my friend, Marshall Brickman called it borrowed
grandeur. I picked out Spanish pieces that were
very, very beautiful. The main song, "Barcelona"
was a funny story. I get a million things in
the mail everyday. I don't look at them, they
are scripts, music, and things. According to
my lawyer, I'm not supposed to look at them.
I never do. But I was running out to shoot "Barcelona"
and just as I walked out my door this recording
had been slipped under my door. I took it with
me, even though I shouldn't. I usually throw
them in a pile, and my assistant returns them.
I took it with me as something to play in the
car. I put it in the car, put it on, and it
was the opening song. I thought, 'My God, I'm
half way through the picture, but this is the
music I want for the picture.' We contacted
with the people and they were thrilled. They
were not established people or anything. They
had nothing, they wanted exposure of the song.
The song is very, very catchy. Everybody loves
it. It's a hit in Barcelona, and they are making
a video of it there now. It was just by chance
that it happened.
The companies
that financed this picture have offered you
three more pictures. Can you address how that
will guide you artistically?
ALLEN: The company who did this picture is a very nice group of people who backed the film. I was putting together my next film and we spoke to them. They said they would love to back another film of mine. We had been talking to somebody else about doing three films. We said to them, "We're on the verge of making a deal with these people for three films." They said, "We'll make three films with you." I said, "That's fine, but I can't do three more films in Barcelona." So they said, "You can make them anywhere in the world you want to make them. We just want to be the producers, we want to finance the films." They were lovely people, we all had a very nice experience, and so I said, "Sure." They don't have a studio system in Europe. In the United States they would be saying to me, "We'll give you the money to make the film, but we're not just bankers." They are in fact just bankers, but they think they are not just bankers. They want to participate, cast, read the script: "This is a great script, but you have no second act." This is stuff that they are utterly unqualified to judge, because even people that do this for a living have a hard time making those calls. They make them wrong all the time. The money people in the United States want to participate. I can get money in the United States if I want to let them read my script, sit in with me on casting, and I didn't want to do that. In Europe there is no studio system. They are just bankers. "We don't know about that stuff. You make the film. You cast it, we don't read the script. We just want to put up the money and make some money on it." There are tax things and whatever mischief they get involved with, so it's a pleasure. When I finish a film financed by the company who did "Match Point", a French company, they were lovely too, I had a wonderful time working with them, and they financed three films. The next film, same company and everything is fine. Will it be fine if I make two unsuccessful pictures for them and they lose their shirt? Will they stay nice to me? Maybe they will, I don't know, but maybe not. Lots of times they start off with a lot of hugs and kisses; 'We love artists!' And then you make a picture that tanks and they won't take your phone calls. I don't know. My experience with these people has been very positive so far and they seem like lovely people. I have great faith in them.
From working with
two Spanish actors in Spain was there anything
that you learned from that culture?
ALLEN: They take themselves
very seriously. Javier and Penelope are very
serious actors. I always found that amusing,
they are so great, and like most serious actors
like Robert De Niro, they think they are great
because they do all that work. They are born
great. They are great when they wake up in the
morning. They don't have to do all that work
and they would still be great. I never rehearsed
with any of the actors. I never talked to them
about the plot or anything. I just show up and
do it. I get a lot of great performances simply
by hiring great people. Javier and Penelope
were constantly talking about their characters,
but not with me. They talked about it with each
other. They were rehearsing all the time, their
lines, they rehearsed themselves. I found that
amusing. They think that's what is making them
great. What is making them great is that they
just are great. Javier could walk into this
room, never having seen anything before, and
act the part out. He would be charismatic and
mesmerizing. It's just built into him. It's
the same with Robert De Niro, or Jack Nicholson.
It's just there for a lot of actors. I found
that the Spanish actors took it very seriously.
They were very formal and serious about the
work. I found that amusing myself, in the end.
It doesn't bother me.
-- Jordan Riefe
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